Where is Marty?!?!?

Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby iha » Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:22 pm

Rankings should be based on what teams accomplish. It's been hard to rank NY teams because they can't/won't compete nationally. But it clearly skews the rankings because there are certainly NY teams every year that can compete with ranked teams outside of the super-elite institutions like Blair. Nice to see a bit of recognition.
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby LImartin » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:27 pm

More accurate....Many Teams stay on that National Rankings list from past accomplishments- or should we say REPUTATION. Just using some IMAGINATION or the "bone theory"..Whats the "bone theory" ya think you can throw a NY Team a bone.

BTW- NYS is so DEEP at 112/ 119 this year.....with a couple of stick outs yet, an 8th grade Thomas Dutton took out a good senior named Vinny Punzone in their League Championship. So, maybe Dutton by the time he is a senior may get a chance to have a Ranking...too funny !!

This isnt something that has just started- It has been present for 60+ yrs. New York State wrestlers are right there with the BEST in this Country...Not as profound yet, very relative...especially, as the move up. Lastly, not many getting put back a grade like so many other places in this Country.
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby redwhiteblue » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:19 pm

NJWC wrote:Absolutely you give credit, but ultimately any objective observer would recognize that picking up 6 for a weight class that doesn't exist at the HS level, and picking up 3-4 more pts by decision at a weight that would have been 6 the other way, certainly changed the outcome.

I think what Marty is pointing out is none of that "changed" the outcome. "Should happen" is merely a figment of your imagination. Wrestling of all sports should teach you there is no such thing as "Should happen." There is only "happened." The outcome is precisely what it is - a SPort win. The outcome did not change when Owings won, the outcome did not change when Gardner won- they just won.
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby LImartin » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:42 pm

sarcasism ??

More precisely that even giving up 6 pts to Heilman gets them beat by Shenendahowa and or Longwood by more pts....Actually, SHEN has a better 103/215/285 than Longwood. So, if Venus was aligned with Mars and Heilman was in the line-up the #1 Team in New Jersey "might" have won yet, we did leave out the question at 285 lbs ?? So, NJ's Nationally Ranked #1- would beat NY's #4....if, everything was SUNNY- and all the Jersey Karma was flowing - and there was no traffic on the Parkway- and if Christie didnt split his pants when he bent over- and if Jersey City Gov.t wasnt corrupt and ALL those Casinos were making money ..and blueberrys were selling for $100.00 a lb.

STILL >>>>

Shenendahowa would win more likely by 15 pts. So, get over it !!!

Longwood by 9-15pts
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby NJWC » Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:56 am

LImartin wrote:sarcasism ??

More precisely that even giving up 6 pts to Heilman gets them beat by Shenendahowa and or Longwood by more pts....Actually, SHEN has a better 103/215/285 than Longwood. So, if Venus was aligned with Mars and Heilman was in the line-up the #1 Team in New Jersey "might" have won yet, we did leave out the question at 285 lbs ?? So, NJ's Nationally Ranked #1- would beat NY's #4....if, everything was SUNNY- and all the Jersey Karma was flowing - and there was no traffic on the Parkway- and if Christie didnt split his pants when he bent over- and if Jersey City Gov.t wasnt corrupt and ALL those Casinos were making money ..and blueberrys were selling for $100.00 a lb.

STILL >>>>

Shenendahowa would win more likely by 15 pts. So, get over it !!!

Longwood by 9-15pts
I'd hardly equate having one of your studs in your lineup, and not having to forfeit a weight class that shouldn't exist at the HS level, with the nonsense you just posted. I guess since you no longer make a fool of yourself on the college boards, you stick to doing so over here?
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby LImartin » Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:10 am

Until, David Taylor comes back to HS and I say "he cant win a State Title"..lol.


NJWC,

Take it lite- Doesnt it "suck" to put in all those Hours with them since they were the Top Mighty Mouses - to see them lose to a Team from New York....let me enjoy !!
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby redwhiteblue » Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:35 pm

LImartin wrote:sarcasism ??

More precisely that even giving up 6 pts to Heilman gets them beat by Shenendahowa and or Longwood by more pts....Actually, SHEN has a better 103/215/285 than Longwood. So, if Venus was aligned with Mars and Heilman was in the line-up the #1 Team in New Jersey "might" have won yet, we did leave out the question at 285 lbs ?? So, NJ's Nationally Ranked #1- would beat NY's #4....if, everything was SUNNY- and all the Jersey Karma was flowing - and there was no traffic on the Parkway- and if Christie didnt split his pants when he bent over- and if Jersey City Gov.t wasnt corrupt and ALL those Casinos were making money ..and blueberrys were selling for $100.00 a lb.

STILL >>>>

Shenendahowa would win more likely by 15 pts. So, get over it !!!

Longwood by 9-15pts

Alright I have to play devil's advocate here. You keep making a big deal about S'Port being the #4 team, implying that these other teams are clearly better than the team that NJ faced. This conveneitly leaves out that S'Port's Daniels was not at UE. The teams that showed they were better than Sport at UE did so against a much weaker S'Port lineup than Plainedge nhad to see.
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby provocateur » Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:56 pm

Shen beat Spencerport by 16 points. The outcome of that dual was never in doubt.
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby mmafan555 » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:37 pm

LImartin wrote:More accurate....Many Teams stay on that National Rankings list from past accomplishments- or should we say REPUTATION. Just using some IMAGINATION or the "bone theory"..Whats the "bone theory" ya think you can throw a NY Team a bone.

BTW- NYS is so DEEP at 112/ 119 this year.....with a couple of stick outs yet, an 8th grade Thomas Dutton took out a good senior named Vinny Punzone in their League Championship. So, maybe Dutton by the time he is a senior may get a chance to have a Ranking...too funny !!

This isnt something that has just started- It has been present for 60+ yrs. New York State wrestlers are right there with the BEST in this Country...Not as profound yet, very relative...especially, as the move up. Lastly, not many getting put back a grade like so many other places in this Country.


Could you try to organize some type of Ny vs Nj event after states.. Like the state champs or runner ups from NY take on the champs or runner ups from Jersey... Would be a great match and would prove alot about the states.
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby RIMartin » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:06 pm

LImartin wrote:Just did....lets not forget St Anthonys rolling into Cali- without a Champion and winning the whole Team title after the semis (5- Counties) - too funny!!!!!!!!

Maybe, now you guys will believe in both Shenendahowa HS/ and Longwood HS....who are the BEST in New York State.

..and Suffolk's John Glenn/ Brentwood/ Sachem East/ Connetquot/ Hauppauge/ Nassau's Massapequa/ Wantagh can ROLL with any Public School. ............................................................................

BTW- Isnt this the same South Plainfield that beat #1 Jackson Memorial ??? So much for National RANKINGs without head to heads.

I wouldn't look too much into the St Anthony's win. Gold Beach, OR, which is a tiny 2A school, nearly finished in the top 20 at Five Counties this year. Gold Beach, is barely a top 20 team in OR and not even the top ranked 2A school.
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby LImartin » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:24 am

There is a difference in what is HOMERISIM ant then what is LOGICAL.....I can be guilty on both accounts on occasion.

In New York State the demographics does not allow for all the TOP Teams to wrestle each other on Long Island ..and then with "traditional" powerhouses in Upstate- Northern /Western NY...It is very hard to get the recognition. yet, sensibility goes out the window...when people suggest New York has some "tough" wrestlers..lol...well, these TOUGH wrestlers are wrestling SOMEWHERE....and yearly these Teams are under the Radar screen.

I disagree, about St Anthonys- they went to a HUGE Tourney- which once was considered in the TOP 2-3 in Cali....and they won as a Team....WITHOUT A FINALIST...this alone is "ridiculous". What Shenendahowa did to Spencerport was just- shut them down...and 16 pts is HUGE considering it was a semi final dual//and all the wrestlers are primed.

BTW- If, you can consider that the past few years...Long Island- primarily Suffolk Co. has had 3-4 Teams in the Top 10 in New York State...last year John Glenn/ won the Title...and this year Longwood HS - IMO was the Gorilla.

The RANKINGs are too subjective and they arent relevent to what is going on east of New Jersey. A Spencerport win over South Plainfield- is a significant win this year even, with the different possible line-ups.

It was just a welcome to New York State Wrestling...yet, Ive been telling you this for a long time.;)
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby Coach_Al » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:06 pm

LImartin wrote:There is a difference in what is HOMERISIM ant then what is LOGICAL.....I can be guilty on both accounts on occasion.

In New York State the demographics does not allow for all the TOP Teams to wrestle each other on Long Island ..and then with "traditional" powerhouses in Upstate- Northern /Western NY...It is very hard to get the recognition. yet, sensibility goes out the window...when people suggest New York has some "tough" wrestlers..lol...well, these TOUGH wrestlers are wrestling SOMEWHERE....and yearly these Teams are under the Radar screen.

I disagree, about St Anthonys- they went to a HUGE Tourney- which once was considered in the TOP 2-3 in Cali....and they won as a Team....WITHOUT A FINALIST...this alone is "ridiculous". What Shenendahowa did to Spencerport was just- shut them down...and 16 pts is HUGE considering it was a semi final dual//and all the wrestlers are primed.

BTW- If, you can consider that the past few years...Long Island- primarily Suffolk Co. has had 3-4 Teams in the Top 10 in New York State...last year John Glenn/ won the Title...and this year Longwood HS - IMO was the Gorilla.

The RANKINGs are too subjective and they arent relevent to what is going on east of New Jersey. A Spencerport win over South Plainfield- is a significant win this year even, with the different possible line-ups.

It was just a welcome to New York State Wrestling...yet, Ive been telling you this for a long time.;)



Limartin,

I want to begin by stating that I have a great deal of respect for wrestling in New York. I've witnessed the talent level first hand at many of the national high school tournaments. Not to take anything away from Saint Anthony's winning of the Five Counties Invitational in California, but for the first time in over 30 years this tournament did not feature a large sum of the state's best teams and individuals. With the Temecula Valley "Battle for the Belt" Tournament being held on the same weekend, a large percentage of California's best teams and individuals competed there instead of Five Counties. As a result, the competition level dropped off significantly at 5C. Overall, Saint Anthony's had several talented kids that put together a good performance, but if Temecula Valley had not ran their tournament the same weekend, I am confident the overall results would have been a lot different. A large percentage of the competition at 5C was from the Southern Section.

The following is the results of the Five Counties Invitational (with state ranking info) and a weight-by-weight list of wrestlers that competed at Temecula Valley, which would have likely been at 5C, if both tournaments were not held on the same weekend.

Five Counties Results:

103
1. Mason Pengilly (Porterville), #5 CA
2. Michael Clemmensen (Atascadero), #6 CA
3. Adrian Camposano (Central), #12 CA
4. Anthony Roybal (Hesperia), #15 CA
5. Jaxon Fitzgerald (Foothill), #18 CA
6. George Torres (La Quinta)
7. Shawn Miller (Valhalla)
8. Adrian Manzo (Crespi)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Emilio Saavedra (Pitman), Ranked #1 CA
  • Micah Perez (Central Union), Ranked #2 CA
  • Johnson Mai (North Torrance), #3 CA
  • Isaiah Locsin (Live Oak), #4 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Nick Ronan #7 seed went 1-2 and did not place.

112
1. Christian Betancourt (Arroyo), #13 CA
2. Christian Pagdillao (Centennial), #14 CA
3. Zeke Andade (Foothill), #32 CA
4. Brandon Carlos (Central)
5. Adam Alvarado (Calvary)
6. Johnny Sanchez (Santa Ana)
7. Jordon Hart (Palo Verde)
8. Eric Ochoa (Northview)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Nashon Garrett (Chico), Ranked #1 CA
  • Jonas Gayton (Clovis), #2 CA
  • Josh Rodriguez (Righetti), #3 CA
  • Victor Lopez (Calexico), #4 CA
  • Ian Nickell (Bakersfield), #6 CA
Saint Anthony’s did not have an entrant at this weight.

119
1. Javier Gasca (Central) #2 CA
2. Frankie Arounvong (Laguna Hills), #7 CA
3. Dean O’Bourke (Fountain Valley), #14 CA
4. Grant Greene (Saint Anthonys, NY)
5. Colin Contreras (Servite), #22 CA
6. Gant Burkhalter (Bella Vista), #17 CA
7. Evan McKirdy (Rancho Bernardo)
8. Timmy Maldonado (Los Osos)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Steven Knoblauch (Clovis West), #3 CA
  • Daniel Gayton (Clovis), #1 CA
  • Ray Delgado (Oak Hills), #6 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Grant Greene placed 4th.

125
1. Alex Cisneros (Selma), #1 CA
2. Ali Naser (El Camino Real), #4 CA
3. Jimmy Morris (Saint Anthonys, NY)
4. Sammy Cano (Santa Ana), #20 CA
5. Blake Lowrie (Laguna Hills), #13 CA
6. Miguel Ruiz (Porterville), #24 CA
7. Sabin Cody (Westview)
8. Aaron Negrete (Calvary Chapel)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:

  • Fabian Garcia (Turlock), #2 CA
  • Vince Rodriguez (Clovis North), #3 CA
  • Martin Ramirez (Elk Grove), #4 CA
  • Micah Cruz (Bakersfield), #6 CA
  • Nick Chavez (Redlands East Valley), #7 CA
  • Joe Moita (De La Salle), #8 CA
  • Dillen Rocha (Lemoore), #10 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Jimmy Morris placed 3rd

130
1. Alex Anunciation (Marina), #3 CA
2. Shayne Tucker (Bella Vista), #4 CA
3. Andrew Schulte (Centennial-Corona), #12 CA
4. Richard Vargas (Santa Ana), #18 CA
5. Matt Fregoso (Rosemead)
6. Mike Longo (Laguna Hills)
7. Quinn Johnston (Gold Beach)
8. Nick Morelli (Paradise)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Niko Villarreal (Gilroy), #5 CA
  • Chris Calcagno (Clovis North), #7 CA
  • Tanner Feurstein (Oakdale), #15 CA
  • Andrew Perez (Pitman), #6 CA
  • Brandon Egleston (Turlock), #13 CA
  • Juan Salas (Clovis), #9 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Pierce Keane went 1-2, dnp.

135
1. Alex Aniciete (Las Vegas), Nevada wrestler
2. Luke McDonald (Servite) #13 CA
3. Jamel Hudson (Saint Anthonys, NY)
4. Antonio Calavitta (Esperanza)
5. Miguel Ramirez (Laguna Hills)
6. Keanu Tom (Los Alamitos)
7. Cullen Joy (Atascadero)
8. Mason Esqueda (Central)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:

  • Chris Mecate (Redlands East Valley), #1 CA
  • Miguel Gallegos (San Fernando), #4 CA
  • Willie Fox (Gilroy), #5 CA
  • Jesse Taylor (Poway), #8 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Jamel Hudson placed 3rd

140
1. Shane Yacuta (Porterville), #3 CA
2. Paul Educate (Palo Verde)
3. David Meza (Buena Park), #5 CA
4. Bryan Salinas (Northview)
5. Ryan Soto (Granite Hills), #24 CA
6. Jorge Gutierrez (Santa Ana), #25 CA
7. Abbey Wesley (Rancho Bernardo), #13 CA
8. Richard Valdez (Corona), #16 CA

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:

  • Isaiah Martinez (Lemoore), #1 CA
  • Nick Cano (Saint Francis), #2 CA
  • Timmy Box (Bakersfield), #2 CA 135s (dropped after Temecula)
  • Blake Kastl (Gilroy), #4 CA
  • Shane Tate (Oakdale), #6 CA
  • Alex Abono (De La Salle), #9 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Thomas Scurti #7 seed went 2-2, dnp

145
1. Trever Devestern (Littlerock), #11 CA
2. Jonathan Gomez (Madera South), #18 CA
3. Seth Whisner (Rim of the World)
4. Dylan Loyer (Kaiser)
5. Bryan Seefried (Dana Hills)
6. Ed Perez (La Quinta)
7. Calderone (Winters)
8. Rico Aguilar (Selma)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Coleman Hammond (Bakersfield), #1 CA
  • Damon Arredondo (Buchanan), #3 CA
  • Sawyer Smith (Brawley), #4 CA
  • Mike Gonzalez (Sultana), #5 CA
  • Jesse Baldazo (Liberty-Brentwood), #7 CA
  • Brady Bersano (Clovis), #8 CA
  • Alex Cruz (Bloomington), #12 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Michael Gangarossa went 2-2, dnp.

152
1. Matt Hickman (Camarillo), #3 CA
2. Isaiah Morfin (Selma), #11
3. Gianpier Yanez (Servite), #5 CA
4. Dallas Poston (Foothill)
5. Isaias Diaz (Folsom)
6. Napoleon Anciete (Las Vegas), Nevada State Champion
7. Spencer Theissen (Villa Park)
8. Fabian Gamez (Apple Valley)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Joey Davis (Santa Fe), #1 CA
  • Adam Fierro (Bakersfield), #4 CA
  • Juan Alvarado (Bloomington), #6 CA
  • Maudin Latifi (Poway), #9 CA
  • Shervin Iraniha (Monte Vista), #10 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Mathew Szilagyi went 2-2, dnp.

160
1. Jim Wilson (McNair), #3 CA
2. Nathan Zarate (Selma), Returning state finalist
3. Jon Solano (Los Osos), #6 CA
4. Elijah Jackson (Atascadero), #7 CA
5. Michael Martinez (Wasco). #22 CA
6. Trevor Wright (Winters), #31 CA
7. Roman Flores (Hilltop)
8. Steven Lopez (Northview)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Bryce Hammond (Bakersfield), #1 CA
  • Vince Waldhauser (Oak Ridge), #2 CA
  • Henry Donahue (Poway), #9 CA
  • Blake Thompson (Clovis), #15 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Jonathan Guarino went 1-2, dnp.

171
1. Justin Lozano (Selma), #4 CA
2. Scotty Bacon (Santiago), #5 CA (dropped to 160s)
3. Cody Linton (Winters), #10 CA
4. Dariyan Riley (Saint Anthony’s, NY)
5. Marcus Judd (Palo Verde)
6. Stephan Trockman (Atascadero)
7. Milian Christian (Norwalk)
8. Cutbirth (Etiwanda)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Nikko Reyes (Clovis West), #1 CA
  • Zach Nevills (Clovis), #2 CA
  • Ryan McWatters (Sultana), #7 CA
  • Trent Noon (Oakdale), #8 CA
  • Jacob Pendleton (Lemoore), #9 CA
  • Silas Nacita (Bakersfield), #11 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Dariyan Riley placed 4th

189
1. Morgan McIntosh (Calvary Chapel), #1 CA
2. Jesus Ambriz (Rancho BV), #5 CA
3. Paul Yoo (Cypress), #7 CA
4. Danny Chaid (Bellarmine Prep), #10 CA
5. Paul Alessandrini (Saint Anthony’s, NY)
6. Anthony Flores (Kaiser), #14 CA
7. Alex Chase (Gold Beach)
8. Juan Hernandez (Capistrano Valley)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Luke Sheridan (De La Salle), #2 CA
  • Preston Quam (San Clemente), #3 CA
  • Dakota Gordon (Clovis), #6 CA
  • Robert Marchese (Oak Hills), #6 CA (dropped to 171s)
  • Ross Longnecker (Chico), #11 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Paul Alessandrini placed 5th

215
1. Tank Knowles (Calvary Chapel), #1 CA
2. Chris Auxier (Northview), #3 CA
3. Ismael Sanchez (Silver Creek), #8 CA
4. Malique Micenheimer (McNair), #6 CA
5. Elder Cruz (La Habra), #13 CA
6. Andrew Alcantara (Laguna Hills)
7. Tyler Smith (Marina)
8. Jeff Fuentes (Central)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Porfi Sosa (Poway), #2 CA
  • Jeff Vargas (South Hills), #4 CA
  • AC Brown (Oakdale), #7 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Andrew Auriemma went 1-2, dnp.

285
1. Wyatt Baker (Servite), #2 CA
2. Robert Chism (Downey), #14 CA
3. Jonathan Desir (Saint Anthony’s, NY)
4. Omar Ros (Granite Hills)
5. Robin Chase (Rancho BV)
6. Carl Hulick (Esperanza)
7. Jack Lander (Gold Beach)
8. David Trujillo (Villa Park)

As a result of Temecula being on the same weekend, the following top ranked Cal kids were not at Five Counties:
  • Nick Nevills (Clovis), #1 CA
  • Steven Wood (Lemoore), #4 CA
  • Zach Smith (Temecula Valley), #6 CA
Saint Anthony’s entrant: Jonathan Desir placed 3rd

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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby speakingtruths » Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:51 pm

Facts are Marty's worst enemy!
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby LImartin » Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:43 pm

lol....Coach al.

You wasted alot of space and a heck of alot of time. First, this was an INDIVIDUAL Tourney- and NO ONE in New York is saying that ANY of the TOP St Anthonys wrestlers are candidated for NYS Titles...Green and Hudson and 285 are their real strength...I would figure GREEN to be a semi finalist...Anything else is speculation .

NO MATTER how you slice it by who was there and or NOT- a DUAL puts St Anthonys in the TOP 10% in High School wrestling in Cali- NOT, on individual talent. You forgot to mention how many Teams were in the 5C Tourney ?? With exception to about 4- Cali Programs like Clovis /Bakersfiled etc. etc.

Lets NOT forget that St Anthonys is located in one area of Long Island - that not only has them but, four other Teams within points of each other- .

Tourney Team pts in Individual Tournies is DIFFERENT than Dual Tournies....Longwood High School is marginally better than St Anthonys 9-12 pts in a straight out dual...yet, in an Individual Team Tourney could outscore them by tens of pts cause they have better individual talent who could further into a Tourney.

Thanks for giving me - a look at the Cali- talent....just unnecessary.
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby Navy_ride » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:09 pm

Most people today don't know about the history of Long Island wrestling and its impact on wrestling today. Here is a story about one of the greatest coaches in wrestling history, not just New York wrestling. One should note that there wasn't a New York State Wrestling Championships back then. Imagine the number of state titles his teams would have won?

http://www.mepham.org/sprig.html

Frank "sprig" Gardner
The Father of New York State Wrestling



Few men have had a greater impact on a high school sport and an entire school district than Sprig Gardner has. Through his efforts wrestling on Long Island grew from a crudely run program at a few schools to a major sport that influenced wrestling programs in the state and the nation. Coming to the Mepham School District in 1936 during its second year of existence, Sprig Gardner helped create the high reputation for scholarship and wrestling that is carried on today in the same Bellmore-Merrick Central High School District. His influence reached state and national levels as he was appointed a member of the National Rules Committee and elected to the National Wrestling Hall of Fame while coaching at Mepham.

While some cite Mepham High School's incredible records of the Gardner Era for his fame, many who knew the man realize his success was the result of his personal philosophy and coaching acumen. Sprig coached not wrestling but life. To each boy he imparted a concern for academic, athletic, and civic pride and responsibility. This genuine concern for each team member created a fantastic belief in him as a person and coach, and his system of teaching wrestling as being the best possible. The confidence this belief in him generated was overwhelming.

Sprig Gardner's success was built on innovation. His concepts of the "drill system" revolutionized the sport. But, more importantly, he brought to sports deeper, more lasting values for the individual. While winning was the goal, Sprig stressed humility in victory and quiet acceptance of defeat. These reactions became associated with his boys and they gave the highly competitive and emotional sport of wrestling a dignity that assured recognition to the vanquished as well as to the victorious.
Sprig Gardner spread high school wrestling to the state and to the nation. His efforts effected rules concerning weight classifications, match scoring procedures, and tournament procedures at local, state, and national levels. He opened his practice to boys from other schools and shared his coaching with them. He added a quality to wrestling that went far beyond the unparalleled statistics amassed by his winning teams.
Yet to leave out his record would be to ignore an incredible part of sports history. Having never wrestled and only coached briefly at East Hampton High School, Sprig organized his first Mepham team in 1936-37 in an abandoned elementary school turned into a high school. The ninth and tenth graders comprised a junior varsity that went on to defeat several varsity opponents and place third in the annual South Shore Tournament. The following year Mepham entered varsity ranks and as incredible as it may seem the Pirates would not know defeat in a meet or tournament until January 31, 1946 when Baldwin defeated Mepham 21-15 after an undefeated string of 100 meets and tournaments. Yet that was merely an interlude to greater success. For Mepham would not lose again until January 14, 1955 when Amityville ended the Pirates undefeated streak of 130 by one point.
The same Amityville team was the first to defeat the Pirates in tournament conditions after 18 consecutive years and 37 consecutive tournaments. During this unprecedented span Mepham won 18 consecutive South Shore titles and 17 Sectional Championships. In 1958, his last season as a wrestling coach, Coach Gardner's undefeated team (20-0) won 9 of 12 individual sectional titles, scoring 186 points, which totaled more than the combined score of the next ten schools.
Coach Gardner's overall record of 254-5-1, with 40 tournament titles, 1 co-title, and 3 seconds and his wrestlers have included 106 sectional champions in 22 years of coaching. None of these records have been remotely equaled. But probably the most enduring mark of the man and his records was that these great feats were accomplished against the best competition he could find in 5 states including New Jersey, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Virginia, and against teams representing city, county, and state all-stars.
The record fits the man - a man to whom wrestling was a part of life and a way to build strong values forged by dedication, hard work, sacrifice, and self-respect.
Author unknown, printed in the program for Sprig Gardner Day, January 17, 1987
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby LImartin » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:51 am

Navy,

Tell us HOW MANY individual matches did he- Frank Sprig Gardner win himself ??
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby Navy_ride » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:28 pm

LImartin wrote:Navy,

Tell us HOW MANY individual matches did he- Frank Sprig Gardner win himself ??


Nada, zilch, zero!
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby LImartin » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:06 pm

I knew the answer..lol....yet, many believe that this is impossible. BTW- My High School Coach was one of the most successful in the area of Suffolk Co. Wrestling from the early '60s thru the early '80s and he wrestled the same amount of matches as Coach Gardner.. ; )
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Re: Where is Marty?!?!?

Postby Navy_ride » Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:05 pm

Back in the day, Sprig Gardner's Mepham team wrestled against Billy Martin's Granby team. Here is a quote from wrestling HOF (Granby and Lehigh) wrestler Eddie Eichelberger about wrestling against Mepham..."That's where I learned the cross-faced cradle, from those workouts with Mepham."
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