Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby quanon » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:36 pm

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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby dsnc471 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:29 pm

That was a clinic. 1st period Metcalf looks like a guy that's never wrestled freestyle before. And in the 2nd he actually gets in good position to score from the front headlock but manages to give up points.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby catchwrestling » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:30 pm

Metcalf did good,I agree the Russian won,but there was a little home cooking on the score.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby afgrasshoppa » Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:47 pm

Metcalf has to learn to hand fight more in the first period and less leg attacks, pushing the pace and waiting for pure points. His attacks will come in the later periods. He gets in trouble in the first period when he wrestles some of these foreigners and gets into scrambles. The front headlock in the second should have been 2 and 2. And should have been fleeing the mat on the Russian when Metcalf got the takedown. But trying to argue those calls against the Russian in Russia is like trying to pull a cop over for speeding.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby dsnc471 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:10 pm

catchwrestling wrote:Metcalf did good,I agree the Russian won,but there was a little home cooking on the score.

Especially in the 2nd period, the front headlock should have been 2-2, but Metcalf should have been able to convert a simple 1 pt takedown from that position. In the first period there was no home cooking, that was just some amazing counters from the Russian and a look of situational unawareness from Metcalf.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby Husker_Du » Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:55 am

i thought the sequences were scored pretty accurately.

and i thought metcalf looked good. he simply got out-freestyled.

imo, he needs to wrestle under control more, and 'play the game'.

still, getting to the finals there is encouraging.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby quanon » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:56 am

Husker_Du wrote:i thought the sequences were scored pretty accurately.

and i thought metcalf looked good. he simply got out-freestyled.

imo, he needs to wrestle under control more, and 'play the game'.

still, getting to the finals there is encouraging.


I agree with all of this. The score looked right to me.

It's difficult to train in the US and get a good feel for wrestling someone like Bekbulaev. His ability to attack from bad positions and create exposures was really impressive.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby fadzaev2 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:04 am

Nice to see Brent back competing again!!!!
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby Stumpy » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:55 am

I agree with Husker and quanon.

I also think he needs to shoot less, especially the Hi-C. Those guys have too many counters off that shot.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby dsnc471 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:38 pm

Hi-C crackdown finish is dangerous in freestyle unless you're like John Smith and choose to master the position. Metcalf went to the crackdown and just held on for the ride.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby iowawrestling8989 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:20 pm

What kind of credentials does this Russian have?
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby Plasmodium » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:25 am

From the Fila DB:

Bekbulatov, Ilyas (RUS) RUS


Date Competition Style Age Group Weight Class Country Rank
2013-01-24 Ivan Yarygin Grand Prix Freestyle Seniors 66.0 RUS 1.
2012-11-30 Ali Aliev Tournament Freestyle Seniors 66.0 RUS 1.
2012-10-19 Intercontinental Cup Freestyle Seniors 66.0 RUS 3.
2012-09-21 Golden Grand Prix Freestyle Seniors 66.0 RUS 3.
2012-03-10 Golden Grand Prix Freestyle Seniors 66.0 RUS 3.
2008-07-15 European Championship Freestyle Juniors 50.0 RUS 2.
2007-07-24 European Championship Freestyle Cadets 46.0 RUS 1.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby XIVCoach » Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:25 am

What is the phrase I hear at a lot of Russian competitions, "je vie, je vie" (sp)?
It seems to indicate "good" or "go".
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby gimpeltf » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:46 am

XIVCoach wrote:What is the phrase I hear at a lot of Russian competitions, "je vie, je vie" (sp)?
It seems to indicate "good" or "go".


Dawai (davai). Action, Let's do it. Something like that.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby coach_tracy » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:46 pm

dsnc471 wrote:That was a clinic. 1st period Metcalf looks like a guy that's never wrestled freestyle before. And in the 2nd he actually gets in good position to score from the front headlock but manages to give up points.


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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby coach_tracy » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:41 pm

Husker_Du wrote:i thought the sequences were scored pretty accurately.

and i thought metcalf looked good. he simply got out-freestyled.

imo, he needs to wrestle under control more, and 'play the game'.

still, getting to the finals there is encouraging.


AGREED, EXCEPT IF YOU ARE WRESTLING FREESTYLE AND YOU GET OUT FREESTYLED, IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD,,,, the funny thing is Brands and Metcalf would probably be harder on themselves in this point than we are here online

Too much forward momentum and not enough angles and circular/lateral movement, they (russians) really make you pay if you bull rush them
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby wrestlingnerd » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:50 am

This was such a major style mismatch in favor of the Russian.

How do you train for that? There are no American wrestlers who can prepare Metcalf or anyone else in the US for that kind of onslaught. The only two guys we've ever had on an Olympic team who I can recall wrestling like that are Randy Lewis and Kendall Cross. I applaud Metcalf for recognizing the opportunity to get exposure to this kind of competition. Let's hope he can keep facing this type of style so he can learn to make some adjustments this year.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby gutfirst » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:18 pm

wrestlingnerd wrote:This was such a major style mismatch in favor of the Russian.

How do you train for that? There are no American wrestlers who can prepare Metcalf or anyone else in the US for that kind of onslaught. The only two guys we've ever had on an Olympic team who I can recall wrestling like that are Randy Lewis and Kendall Cross. I applaud Metcalf for recognizing the opportunity to get exposure to this kind of competition. Let's hope he can keep facing this type of style so he can learn to make some adjustments this year.


train free and greco to get good at free and greco not to make "summer wrestlers, winter champions". yuck.

we don't have anyone who can put guys in danger. even guys who get out of position finishing attacks like metcalf
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby Old_Marine_Wrestler » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:31 pm

That Russian had incredible hips and great footwork.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby wrestlingnerd » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:42 pm

gutfirst wrote:train free and greco to get good at free and greco not to make "summer wrestlers, winter champions". yuck.

we don't have anyone who can put guys in danger. even guys who get out of position finishing attacks like metcalf


What style do you think Metcalf is training now, beach wrestling? He has been training exclusively freestyle with the best competitors in the nation for almost three years now, so it's not like he can train more freestyle. My point was that there are no training partners for him in the US to prepare him for that kind of opponent, so he has to travel. Let's hope he can adjust some of his folkstyle-centric technique to avoid risk of exposure.

He beat some other very good Russians to get to the finals, but he looked lost against that guy in particular. The contrast in styles was night and day.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby Alwayswrestling » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:18 pm

Great job hope Metcalf continues to make improvement and stays healthy. Should be fun to watch the US Open this sprin in Vegas.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby iowawrestling8989 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:15 pm

Got to give Metcalf some credit for this tournament performance, the guy he destroyed the last two periods in the semis made it to the semis of Russian nationals last year.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby gutfirst » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:42 am

wrestlingnerd,

metcalf put himself out of position after penetrating on a shot and got tossed. i know he's been training for freestyle tournaments but he and most of our guys don't train freestyle. how many arm throws, headlocks and back arch reps is he getting in? how often is he repping shots against some who is trying to expose his back on the way in or during the finish?

i don't know, but it looks like not nearly enough. it'd be great to have guys that could exploit his mistakes in live goes here in the us. but that isn't needed if his training drills are specific to the freestyle strategy the russian used to score on him.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby wrestlingnerd » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:19 am

gutfirst wrote:wrestlingnerd,

metcalf put himself out of position after penetrating on a shot and got tossed. i know he's been training for freestyle tournaments but he and most of our guys don't train freestyle. how many arm throws, headlocks and back arch reps is he getting in? how often is he repping shots against some who is trying to expose his back on the way in or during the finish?

i don't know, but it looks like not nearly enough. it'd be great to have guys that could exploit his mistakes in live goes here in the us. but that isn't needed if his training drills are specific to the freestyle strategy the russian used to score on him.


Really? You think just drilling arm throws and headlocks is going to fix that gap? Metcalf could drill those moves all day from today until the 2016 Olympics and he wouldn't develop the skills required to beat this Russian's style. What he needs is more competition like this guy so he can make adjustments and practice them live.

And do you really believe that Metcalf is not 100% focused on freestyle at the moment and hasn't been since graduating college?

We all get that Metcalf focused on folkstyle for most of his life. That's just the way it's going to be for anyone who wrestles in college at the D1 level. My only point was that Metcalf is doing the right thing by seeking competition outside the US, since nobody wrestles like that in the US, to try to improve. The implication, or hope, was that he will improve as he faces more guys like that Russian and we should give the guy a break for placing 2nd in arguably the world's toughest freestyle wrestling tournament.
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Re: Metcalf Final from Yarygin

Postby gutfirst » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:06 pm

wrestlingnerd wrote:
gutfirst wrote:wrestlingnerd,

metcalf put himself out of position after penetrating on a shot and got tossed. i know he's been training for freestyle tournaments but he and most of our guys don't train freestyle. how many arm throws, headlocks and back arch reps is he getting in? how often is he repping shots against some who is trying to expose his back on the way in or during the finish?

i don't know, but it looks like not nearly enough. it'd be great to have guys that could exploit his mistakes in live goes here in the us. but that isn't needed if his training drills are specific to the freestyle strategy the russian used to score on him.


Really? You think just drilling arm throws and headlocks is going to fix that gap? Metcalf could drill those moves all day from today until the 2016 Olympics and he wouldn't develop the skills required to beat this Russian's style. What he needs is more competition like this guy so he can make adjustments and practice them live.

And do you really believe that Metcalf is not 100% focused on freestyle at the moment and hasn't been since graduating college?

We all get that Metcalf focused on folkstyle for most of his life. That's just the way it's going to be for anyone who wrestles in college at the D1 level. My only point was that Metcalf is doing the right thing by seeking competition outside the US, since nobody wrestles like that in the US, to try to improve. The implication, or hope, was that he will improve as he faces more guys like that Russian and we should give the guy a break for placing 2nd in arguably the world's toughest freestyle wrestling tournament.


no i don't and that's not what i said. i don't think drilling arm throws and headlocks will fix that gap alone. it should be a major part of any wrestler's training if they wrestle freestyle with what i added to the sentence you miss referenced.

i do agree metcalf has been training 100 percent focused on free. based in one match here and a couple at the trials i think he hasn't done it properly
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